{"id":39753,"date":"2017-10-05T09:02:49","date_gmt":"2017-10-05T09:02:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/80000hours.org\/?post_type=career_profile&#038;p=39753"},"modified":"2024-12-03T10:34:19","modified_gmt":"2024-12-03T10:34:19","slug":"policy-oriented-civil-service-uk","status":"publish","type":"career_profile","link":"https:\/\/80000hours.org\/career-reviews\/policy-oriented-civil-service-uk\/","title":{"rendered":"Policy-oriented government&nbsp;jobs"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":66,"featured_media":39824,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":"[fn 1]Timmins, N. et al, 2016 [A Terrible Beauty: A Short History of NICE The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence](http:\/\/www.idsihealth.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/A-TERRIBLE-BEAUTY_resize.pdf), pages 37-40. [\/fn]\r\n[fn 2][This article](https:\/\/web.archive.org\/save\/https:\/\/www.newstatesman.com\/health\/2014\/08\/nhs-drugs-aristotle-and-health-economics-problem-quantifying-value-life) summarises the criticisms. [\/fn]\r\n[fn 4]Smith, R., 2004. [The triumph of NICE](http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/329\/7459\/0.8). *Bmj*, 329(7459). [\/fn]\r\n[fn 3]\"despite the controversies, which have sometimes required the Institute to make changes in its methods and processes, NICE retains broad political support. Its approach to multistakeholder engagement and open, evidence-based priority setting is often regarded internationally as the gold standard to be emulated where possible as an alternative to implicit and often 'conflict increasing' priority setting approaches.\" Ruiz, F., and Breckon, J., [The NICE Way: Lessons for social policy and practice from the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence](https:\/\/www.nesta.org.uk\/sites\/default\/files\/nesta_a4ue_and_nice_paper.pdf), page 6. [\/fn]\r\n[fn 5]Job titles taken from organisation charts at [https:\/\/data.gov.uk\/organogram\/](https:\/\/data.gov.uk\/organogram\/) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 6]\"Total Managed Expenditure is expected to be around \u00a3802 billion in 2017-18.\" [https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/publications\/spring-budget-2017-documents\/spring-budget-2017](https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/publications\/spring-budget-2017-documents\/spring-budget-2017) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 7]\"In 2016 the population of the UK was 65.6 million, its largest ever.\" [https:\/\/www.ons.gov.uk\/peoplepopulationandcommunity\/populationandmigration\/populationestimates\/articles\/overviewoftheukpopulation\/july2017](https:\/\/www.ons.gov.uk\/peoplepopulationandcommunity\/populationandmigration\/populationestimates\/articles\/overviewoftheukpopulation\/july2017) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 8]The UK is in the top 10 countries for military expenditure ([https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures](https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures)), it's one of eight countries with nuclear weapons ([https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons](https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons)), and is one of a few navies that can run sustained operations far from the home country ([https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Blue-water_navy#Examples_of_blue-water_navies](https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Blue-water_navy#Examples_of_blue-water_navies)). [\/fn]\r\n[fn 9][https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115203\/https:\/\/www.weforum.org\/agenda\/2016\/08\/foreign-aid-these-countries-are-the-most-generous\/](https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115203\/https:\/\/www.weforum.org\/agenda\/2016\/08\/foreign-aid-these-countries-are-the-most-generous\/) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 10]\"Subject specialization is neither generally encouraged nor frequently developed. Even on the rare occasions when such specialization is claimed, it is not a particularly narrow specialism.\" Page, E. and Jenkins, W.I., 2005. *Policy bureaucracy: Government with a cast of thousands*. Oxford University Press on Demand, page 47. [\/fn]\r\n[fn 11]\"Fewer than one-third of respondents (31 per cent) had previous experience doing similar work in the same area (Table 2.6). This figure of 31 per cent possibly overstates the degree to which policy expertise is the basis for recruiting an official to a particular post (or possibly for an official applying for a particular post) since 'previous experience' refers only to a related topic, although the type of job might be different.\" Page, E. and Jenkins, W.I., 2005. *Policy bureaucracy: Government with a cast of thousands*. Oxford University Press on Demand, page 46. [\/fn]\r\n[fn 12]Rhodes, R.A.W., 2011. Everyday life in British government. Oxford University Press, page 105 [\/fn]\r\n[fn 13]\"An official charged with helping restructure the system of grants to local government (and we interviewed several working on this topic who gave a similar view) suggested that 'ministers do not give a detailed steer on things at the beginning of the process'. Officials knew that the new system they were to come up with should be 'simpler and fairer', yet these goals were rather vague and conflicting since simpler formulae may not necessarily be fairer.\" Page, E. and Jenkins, W.I., 2005. Policy bureaucracy: Government with a cast of thousands. Oxford University Press on Demand, page 84 [\/fn]\r\n[fn 14]\"We came across numerous examples of officials shaping broader principles of policy through elaboration of how a policy might work in practice. ... One policy issue that came up, and this is a normal big bill point, was whether the legislation gave [the government body concerned sufficient powers]. It looked like a detailed point but turned out to get thornier and thornier. . . . One of the biggest problems was that we realized that we had something that affected, if our worries were right, how an awful lot of legislation was phrased.\" Page, E. and Jenkins, W.I., 2005. Policy bureaucracy: Government with a cast of thousands. Oxford University Press on Demand, page 98 [\/fn]\r\n[fn 15][80 people in the Government office of science](https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/organisations\/government-office-for-science\/about), [200 people in the National Security Secretariat](http:\/\/data.parliament.uk\/writtenevidence\/committeeevidence.svc\/evidencedocument\/national-security-strategy-committee\/work-of-the-national-security-adviser\/oral\/28227.html), Public Health England had a Director of Emergency Preparedness and response [managing ~65 people in 2013](https:\/\/data.gov.uk\/organogram\/public-health-england) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 16]The total number of civil servants was taken from [the Office of National Statistics](https:\/\/www.ons.gov.uk\/employmentandlabourmarket\/peopleinwork\/publicsectorpersonnel\/bulletins\/civilservicestatistics\/2017) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 17]From the [spring 2017 budget](https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115309\/https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/597467\/spring_budget_2017_web.pdf) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 18][https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/625548\/DFID-Annual-Report-and-Accounts-2016-17.pdf](https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/625548\/DFID-Annual-Report-and-Accounts-2016-17.pdf) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 19][https:\/\/www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk\/sites\/default\/files\/WM2014_Workforce.pdf#page=9](https:\/\/www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk\/sites\/default\/files\/WM2014_Workforce.pdf#page=9) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 20]Starting salaries for each scheme are on the websites for the [Fast Stream](https:\/\/www.faststream.gov.uk\/) and the [Treasury graduate programme](http:\/\/www.hmtreasurycareers.co.uk\/rewards-benefits\/). [\/fn]\r\n[fn 21][This report](https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115414\/https:\/\/www.highfliers.co.uk\/download\/2016\/graduate_market\/GMReport16.pdf#page=20) has salaries for top 100 employers. For the categories that sound most like normal corporate graduate schemes (IT and consumer goods) salaries are \u00a329,000 and \u00a330,000. [\/fn]\r\n[fn 22][https:\/\/www.ons.gov.uk\/employmentandlabourmarket\/peopleinwork\/publicsectorpersonnel\/datasets\/civilservicestatistics](https:\/\/www.ons.gov.uk\/employmentandlabourmarket\/peopleinwork\/publicsectorpersonnel\/datasets\/civilservicestatistics) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 23]\"the most senior civil servants are paid less than half of their private sector equivalents. (There a small number of well-publicised exceptions, generally recruited from outside the civil service - see Note 1 below.) But pay rates improve, relative to the private sector, the further one descends through the ranks, to the extent that the very lowest grades are paid about the same as their private sector counterparts.\" [https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115535\/http:\/\/www.civilservant.org.uk\/information-pay-general.html](https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115535\/http:\/\/www.civilservant.org.uk\/information-pay-general.html) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 24][https:\/\/www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk\/blog\/civil-service-pay-2016](https:\/\/www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk\/blog\/civil-service-pay-2016) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 25]\"In summary, only nationals from the following countries (or associations of countries) are generally eligible for employment in the Civil Service: the United Kingdom (and British protected persons), the Republic of Ireland, the Commonwealth, the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland and Turkey. Certain family members of EEA, Swiss and Turkish nationals are also eligible regardless of their nationality. Section 1 of the Guidance contains detailed provisions on verifying an applicant's nationality and thus their eligibility for appointment to the Civil Service.\" [https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115632\/https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/536134\/civil_service-nationality_rules_20_june__2016.pdf](https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20171004115632\/https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/536134\/civil_service-nationality_rules_20_june__2016.pdf) [\/fn]\r\n[fn 26]In Anthony King's chapter on MPs in [Who Governs Britain?](https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/dp\/B00VJ2XGTK\/), he argues that: parliamentary select committees tend to lack influence over the departments they are supposed to investigate, public bill committees don't influence legislation very much, and the government of the day introduces most of the legislation that goes through. [\/fn]\r\n[fn 27]'Every PPS [Principal Private Secretary] and PS [Private Secretary] freely admits that working in the Private Office gives you 'an incredible network'' Rhodes, R.A.W., 2011. Everyday life in British government. Oxford University Press, page 152. 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